How do you stop a rude stranger from ruining the rest of your day?
Marcus Aurelius had this two thousand years ago. Tell yourself in the morning that you will meet the meddling and the ungrateful. I was in a queue at the chemist with my sister and somebody went straight in front of me. There is a voice that wants them to know they wronged me. But every ship makes a wake and no ship controls its own wake. You do not have to add fuel. There is real strength in staying calm while everybody else loses it.
One thing to try: When somebody is rude, ask one question. Are they hot, cold, skint, frightened? Then let the wake pass.
In this episode
(4:12) Marcus Aurelius, two thousand years ago
(5:31) The queue at the chemist with my sister
(6:36) The part of me that wants them to know
(7:32) Maybe they were on an important call
(10:28) Everybody is distracted and doing their best
(11:42) You cannot help making a wake
(13:52) How much compassion have you really got
(20:27) The best answer to anger is silence
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The question this answers
How do you stop a rude stranger from ruining the rest of your day?
When you wake up in the morning, tell yourself: the people I deal with today will be meddling, ungrateful, arrogant, dishonest, jealous and surly.
Marcus Aurelius
Two thousand years ago and he had already worked out that the queue jumper is not news. He goes on to say that none of them can actually hurt him, and that is the part worth having.
The heart of it
Two people can hold opposite versions of what just happened and both be describing it honestly.
Every ship makes a wake, and no ship controls its own wake. You choose what you do in the water.
Being the calm one while everybody else loses it is not weakness. It is the strongest position in the room.
I was at the chemist with my sister. Something shiny caught my eye so I wandered off, she bent down to look in her bag, and somebody walked straight into the space and joined the queue.
She was agitated, and I could tell she rather wanted the person to hear. I cannot do confrontation at all. I want the blinds down and nobody to know I am even annoyed. And there is still a voice in me that wants them to know they wronged me.
Then look at it from the other side. Somebody walks in with their head somewhere else, sees a gap, joins the queue. The shelves are close together. Maybe they had a phone call, maybe they had bad news ten minutes earlier. That is also an honest account of the same thirty seconds.
I know this because I did it constantly in the eight months I drove before my accident. I only ever found out about the times somebody pointed it out, and then I got defensive and explained why I had been perfectly fine.
The wake does not control the ship.
We sit in the boat shouting at a ship that has already gone. The captain is on to the next problem, and so should we be, except we are ringing a friend about it and putting it online instead.
And on relative suffering. Tell me I am in bed for a week and I will say that is a nuisance. Tell somebody else and it is a catastrophe. Same week in bed. I have had pressure sores, so mine is a walk in the park.
One small thing to try
When somebody is rude, ask one question before you decide anything. Are they hot, cold, skint, frightened?
You will not know the answer. That is rather the point. Then do nothing with it at all, and notice how much better nothing feels.
Add nothing to the fire and the fire is a small one.
Questions people ask
Should I say something when somebody is rude?
Sometimes, and know what you are hoping for. Most people who have genuinely not noticed are mortified when it is pointed out. The ones who snap back are usually embarrassed rather than defiant.
Does this mean I have to excuse bad behaviour?
No. It means not carrying it round the rest of the day on their behalf. What they did stays theirs. Your afternoon does not have to be part of the payment.
How do I get better at this?
Start with compassion for yourself, because you make these mistakes too. I put scuff marks on every skirting board in my house with the wheelchair. Anybody who thinks they never cause anybody any bother has simply not been told.
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You wouldn't believe how rude some people can be.
Just you're minding your own business and they push in front of
you in the queue, they let the door slam in front of you, they fall
over my feet.
Ah, really annoying.
Frustrating.
How to deal with these rude and ungrateful, aggressive, arrogant
people, meddling people in our lives.
How do we deal with these?
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meddling people.
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Talking about meddling and interfering people, I've got a wonderful
quote by Marcus Aurelius, and I always use this.
I always go back and read it whenever people are starting to really
annoy me.
Because, you know, people annoy me, you know, all the time.
It's not like you get to a place in life where you find inner
peace and nobody ever bothers you.
Nobody ever gets on your nerves and everything's rosy and
you're walking around in this world and it's just beautiful and
you're hugging trees and everything's just love.
It's just not like that.
People will still annoy you.
People still get on your nerves, and it's the reality of things.
I get on my own nerves, trust me.
My mind is so mentally chattering all the time that I'm
like, seriously, you want to think about that now?
As if I'm not busy enough.
You know exactly what I'm saying, you know exactly what I'm
saying.
And you know, and it comes up with the most inappropriate things
to think about when not thinking about it, where nothing.
If it's like, can you think of the most inappropriate thing to think
about now?
Yep, already on it.
That's your mind.
That's what the mind does.
But I want to go back to this quote, right?
Marcus AURELIUS, you know, 2,000 years ago, two and a half thousand
years ago, he was on it, wasn't he?
So when you wake up in the morning, tell yourself, the people
I deal with today will be meddling, ungrateful, arrogant, dishonest,
jealous and surly.
They will be like this because they can't tell good from evil.
But I have seen the beauty of good and the ugliness of evil.
And I have recognized that the wrongdoer has nature related to my
own.
Not of the same blood and birth, but the same mind and possessing
a share of the divine.
And so none of them can hurt me.
No one can implicate me in ugliness, nor can I feel angry at
my relative or hate him.
We were born to work together, like feet, hands and eyes, like the
two rows of teeth, upper and lower.
To obstruct each other is unnatural.
To feel anger at someone, to turn your back on him, these are
unnatural.
Marcus Aurelius, okay, it's kind of long quote, but I want to
pick it apart a bit later in the podcast.
But let's get to the main point of this.
I was out with my sister the other day and we had a doctor's appointment
and we queued up at the chemist and I, you know, something
shiny caught my eye, so I went and had a look at it and I, I think
my sister bent down to look at something in a bag or something like
that and someone went past her and just, you know, jumped the queue.
And I got back and said, you're right.
And yes, yeah, just lost my place in the queue.
I went, all right, did you move?
And she went, no, I was right here, so.
Okay.
And I could tell my sister was agitated and I, I said, don't worry
about it, it's fine.
And we had this conversation relatively quiet, but I think my
sister wanted the person to hear in some way.
I can do confrontation, I'm terrified of it.
I'm like, don't say anything, God, you know, hide, you know, put
the blinds up, you know, no one can see me that I'm agitated.
I would hate for them to.
But in somewhat there's a part of me, there's a voice inside of
me that wants them to know that, hey, you just done me wrong.
You've just really, you've ruined my day, you know, okay then,
ruin my day.
But you know what I mean, you feel hard done by.
It's not right.
It's not just you waiting in the queue.
They should do the same thing.
They're adults for Christ's sake, they're not two year old children.
So we have all that process in our mind of all these different things
and we see it the way we see it now then if I see it from my sister's
perspective, she was in a queue there, plain view obvious,
she was in the queue.
So why would someone do that?
And that's a correct perspective.
Then take another perspective.
Someone's walking in through the door, they're not sure if they're
putting something in their bag.
Are they just looking at the shelf?
The shelves were quite close.
Were they minding their own business?
Perhaps they had their head in the phone or something like that.
Don't judge that, just, we all do it sometimes.
Maybe they had an important phone call, whatever reason, and
she just didn't take much notice and walk past and join the
queue.
You know, that's a different perspective and that's again a correct
perspective based on the person that jumped the queue.
Maybe that's where they were viewing.
And the thing is, there's multiple reasons why we do these
ignorant, stupid things.
We're not always walking around blissfully aware of everything
else that's going on.
When I drove my car before my accident, I was only driving for
about eight months.
But the amount of times I would cut in front of someone or
someone would beep and things like that.
And that's only the times that people pointed out to me.
I wonder how many times I did it.
And someone, like, went, oh, they just pulled out in front of
me or done something wrong or braked aggressively and things like
that.
All those things people moaned about.
But the thing is, unless it's pointed out to us, we don't know
we did it.
And very often, if it is pointed out, we go on the defensive
and we try to justify it.
It's like, no, I didn't do that.
I was perfectly fine.
There was plenty of room.
Well, there might have been plenty of room from your perspective.
It may not have been plenty of room from their perspective and their
ability to drive.
Who knows?
So the point is, I'm making.
There's multiple perspectives and there's multiple rights.
It's really interesting.
It doesn't mean just because your right differs from their right,
it doesn't mean your right is any more than theirs.
There's multiple truths.
And, you know, and we're talking about opinion here and the
way we feel about things.
I'm not talking about an absolute truth of, you know, H2O
is H2O.
No.
Who looks at it.
I'm talking about opinionated truths.
And if you have an opinion, if you have, you know, I have a truth
that I love and chocolate chip ice cream, someone else, and I personally
think chocolate chip ice cream is the best flavor in the world,
Having every flavor in the world, but I can't see it being beaten
yet.
That's not a truth for somebody else.
It's a true for me.
So we have multiple truths, multiple perspectives.
And so I wanted to get that out of the way to begin with because
that's one way of helping you to realize that, you know, they didn't
necessarily get out of bed to be ignorant and rude and jump in
front.
And very often, most people would be really embarrassed.
You know, if you trust, you just put in front, they go, oh, my
God, I'm so sorry.
I didn't realize.
I'm not saying say that.
I'm just saying just don't worry about it.
And that's the way you deal with it.
Just, you know, everybody is just doing their best.
Everybody's distracted.
Everybody's thinking about other stuff.
Everybody's just doing what they're doing, minding their own
businesses.
Maybe or getting into other people's business, you know, whatever
we're doing, people are doing what they're doing and they're not
always thinking.
And when we remember that, we have a softness.
I've done a TikTok video the other day about the subtle mind just
have a softness to it.
And one way of explaining that is a good metaphor, is Alan Watts
says about the wake of a ship.
So a ship goes by and we all create a wake.
Then we can create a wake that's turbulent and up and down
and all that, that everybody's gotta hold onto their rafts and try
to stay in the boat.
Or we can just be a little more subtle and we can create a wake
that's just a gentle wake that isn't really affected, just a calm.
But you cannot not create a wake.
And the point is you, you're not in control of the wake.
The wake doesn't control the ship, you know, but we can choose
what we do with it.
We can choose to, ah, we can just bob along or we can sit in the
boat screaming at the ship.
How dare you do that?
How dare you disrupt my lovely smooth lake ocean.
That's what we're doing.
We're going up and down on the wake and we're complaining about
it.
The ship's already gone.
You know, the captain's already thinking about the next problem
and that's what we're doing.
We're thinking about the next problem.
We're thinking about how to get out the car park, how to pay
for our bills.
We're.
We're thinking about what we're going to do for tea.
What am I going to do for tea?
I got a nice cottage pie for tea.
I do like my cottage pie anyway.
See, my mind boom straight away to something else.
It's what it does.
It's what it does all the time.
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What you gonna have for tea?
Don't we live in an interesting world or a life, sir?
How do we deal with these people?
How.
How do we deal with these meddling people?
These people that make mistakes is first of all, recognize
that you make mistakes too.
Secondly, it's not personal.
They don't know you.
They don't care about you.
They're not thinking about you.
They're just doing their natural thing.
How much do you Go around.
When you're walking around the pavement or going around doing things,
how much do you consider them?
You think you do.
You think you do.
But how much do you really consider what.
What they're doing, what kind of life they're living at the moment,
what kind of morning they had, how are they feeling?
Are they hot or cold?
Are they bothered?
Are they struggling?
Are they being able to pay their bills?
You know, how much compassion have you really got for them?
And when you have real compassion for them, you can go,
do you know what?
I don't know their issues.
I don't know what they're encountering on a daily basis.
They may have jumped in front of the queue.
They may have let a door slam on me.
They may have been blindsided and walked into my chair, whatever.
You know, all these things people do.
I don't know whether that morning they got out of bed and they
were part of a violent alteration.
I don't know whether or not they had the Most terrible news 10
minutes before.
I don't know if they're struggling to pay their bills or
they're living a happy, really carefree life.
And that's the truth, is we really don't know.
And even if we think we know, we still don't know, because we'll
see someone's life.
Even if we know somewhat part of their life, we don't know all
of their life.
So we might be able to see it and go, do you know what?
They got a lovely partner.
They've got a lovely house.
I know them money, bills or anything like that.
Well, you don't know what they're suffering from.
Otherwise, you don't know if behind closed doors, it's really
like that.
And what one person's dealing with is not what another person deals
with on different levels.
You know, if someone come and said to me, tomorrow you're going
to be.
You're going to be stuck in bed for a week.
I'll be like, okay, that sucks, but I'll be all right.
You say that to somebody else and they're gonna freak.
You're both stuck in bed.
But because I've been stuck in bed because I've had pressure sores
and all that, to me, that's like a walk in the park.
To somebody else, that's not so.
What we're going through is relative.
So have compassion for them.
We live in a rude world.
We live in an ignorant world.
We live in a world that's so busy and so rude and so ignorant
that we're all just trying to get to grips with it, you know, have
compassion for yourself, too.
You make mistakes on a daily basis.
How many mistakes do you make?
Just have compassion for yourself.
I suppose the best way of dealing with these things is just.
I said to my sister when we got out of the car park, I said,
why did you let it bother you?
And she's right.
She said they were rude.
It's not right.
I agree, Totally agree.
But we're now carrying it.
Granted, I was the one that asked her, but we'll take it with
us.
We'll phone a friend, we'll post it on Facebook.
Okay.
My sister doesn't.
But that's the kind of metaphor that we do.
We carry on the rest of the day and we carry it.
A person just made a mistake ignorantly, and they didn't even
know, you know?
Just the same as a car park when someone's in the car and they're
trying to get out and it's.
They got all those things and that perspective on their mind.
Some people find it really hard to drive cars, especially in
a car park, and we're like, come on, go, go.
Come on, you've got plenty of room.
It's like, well, you don't know whether that person had an accident
two days before and they're now worried a bit.
You don't know whether their vision is as good as yours.
And you might say, well, they shouldn't be driving.
Well, I'm sorry.
As long as they pass their vision test, they can drive.
But I know people that don't have a good spatial awareness and
other people that have great spatial awareness but have downfalls
in other ways.
You know, I've got.
I get driven around by five different carriers, and they all
drive differently, and they all have great qualities in driving,
and none of them are perfect.
I'm perfect.
No, I'm not.
I'm not.
I can't even drive my jab properly.
You know, the amount of times I crash that.
And you ought to see my house, you know, I'd say I do the decorating
below 3 foot, which basically means the undecorate in the scuffing
up of the skirt imports and everything.
Yeah, we're just.
Nobody's perfect.
Be a little more compassionate, be a little more forgiving
and realize that we're all just doing our best.
And that's how we deal with rude, ungrateful, arrogant, meddling,
dishonest, jealous people.
We're doing our best, and we're doing it based from our lives
and our perspective.
And what we've learned to be the best.
And I think just have a softening to it.
Just try next time when someone's rude to you, just try doing
nothing with it and it feels better.
Subtle mind, you know, just ride the wake.
Just a gentle.
Do nothing with it.
Don't add no more fuel to the fire.
Add any more fuel.
That's going to make the fire go bigger.
I'm sure I didn't need to explain that metaphor to you.
The best revenge is to be unlike him who performed the injury.
I always take notice when I'm reading any quotes now.
Whenever it's like 300 years or plus, it's always him.
They very rarely quote her or us or them.
It's always him, which is just funny.
It's just the time.
And that's the way they wrote.
They always wrote about the man, just as if they were the ones
that had all the knowledge.
It's just a ridiculous world.
Ridiculous.
Arrogance and ignorance and narcissistic.
That's what it is.
Can change it.
Can't go back 2,000 years.
We can be entertained by it and bemused by it.
We can be enlightened by it, but we cannot change it.
That's what's really important.
You have the power over your mind, not outside events.
Realize this and you will find strength.
You will find strength.
I like that.
There's so much strength in just being able to stay calm when
everybody else is losing it.
The best answer to anger is silence.
Another quote by him.
Brilliant.
Marcus Aurelius, one of the great Stoic philosophers from about
two and a half thousand years ago in Athens.
He basically lost everything.
He lost his boat and everything.
When he landed in Athens and he started walking around looking
for a positive spin on things, I'm pretty sure that was Bacchus
Aurelius.
Anyway, perhaps I'm wrong.
Anyway, anyway, that's my podcast.
How do you deal with meddling, aggressive, rude, arrogant people?
Should let them be.
Have some compassion for them just the same as we need to have
some compassion for ourselves.
They don't mean to be rude.
If you point it out to them, they're very often apologetic or
they get annoyed that you pointed out because they're actually
embarrassed.
That's a really important point.
And on that really important point, I'm going to say thank you
to Jennifer, Laura and Audra for your donations this week.
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